The Dr Jo Show

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is the biggest scandal that happens every week in Australian hospitals. And yet nobody knows about it. My name is. Don't know how I'm professor of law, Fulbright scholar. And I've spent years combing the data to bring to you today the biggest scandal in our country. Newborn babies who survive their abortion and then are left to die without a right to medical care under the law.

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And that's today on the Doctor Judy show.

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Most Australians have no idea, I think, about what abortion is. I think most of us, when we think about abortion, and this was certainly me in my 20s when I was pro-choice, is you just seem to think that the abortion disappears. The baby somehow, you know, not in a magic wand kind of way, but that they somehow just disappear.

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They don't exist anymore. And in one sense, that's true. Every abortion kills a human being, but in another sense, every abortion is different because abortion at different gestation looks very different. Today we are going to talk about the absolutely appalling, despicable, disgusting. I can't think of an adjective strong enough, to describe the fact that we leave babies to die after their abortion and get this.

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It's actually intended in the abortion method. So after 14 weeks, typically the method of abortion is called labor induction. So they give the mother these pills, these drugs and what they do. The first one that sort of starves the baby, it removes the nutrient supply. And the second pill induces labor. And theoretically the mother gives birth to a dead baby, stillborn baby.

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But in many cases, the baby is born alive. And this is an intentional method of abortion. So when I'm imposing on this in such a meeting, the most common comments I get, he said. This just doesn't happen.

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for example, Disney Princess. Rach. Hello people. Sounds like nonsense.

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Who is this woman? I retired and where is the proof? People do anything these guys for attention. This wouldn't be ethical in Australian rule. Now I agree Jessica Princess. It's not ethical.

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But we know that this happens, that babies are born alive after their abortion and left to die because in a Queensland inquiry last year, which looked into this very issue, evidence came to light. And that's going to shock you.

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Louise and said, and we'd work for 14 years gave evidence to the Queensland parliamentary inquiry on this happening in her hospital. Let's take a look at what she said.

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Sadly, in the very sweet unit in my hospital, we have had babies born alive after terminations from 15 to 22 weeks, born alive, gasping for air, moving and having a palpable heart rate, fighting for their lives. What I've directly witnessed or been told by my colleagues we have been present at the time. These babies were alive from anywhere from 2 to 20 minutes to 3 to 5 hours.

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Sometimes babies born alive after an abortion are put into which is heads and are covered, taken out of the room and die. While in that which has happened. This is not an uncommon occurrence. Just recently, a mother is fighting for the baby at 19 weeks. The same me surprised the regime was started and this little baby was born alive again, moving, gasping for air and having a heart rate.

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You could have had a pin drop in that room listening to noises, testimony.

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But what happened next was even more shocking. Doctor Alicia, Freemason abortionist. Well, there's been a women's hospital gets up to give evidence on behalf a branch of the peak body of citizens and gynecologists. And she says that this is actually intentional. So let's take a look.

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Oh my goodness. Like how I know wives. I mean how is how can any human be get up and give that testimony. And I was sitting there listening to it and I was audibly gasping, as were other people in the in the inquiry in the audience, because we just couldn't believe this.

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We up until this point, when we saw the data on babies who survived their abortion and then subsequently died because they've been left to die, we assumed this was an unintended consequence of an abortion, that the abortion intends to kill the baby, and the baby somehow, almost miraculously, survives. What Doctor Alicia Brennan says is that she does this for a living.

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She does this for a paycheck, that this is the method of abortion that's being rolled out across Australian hospitals.

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and every week a baby is born alive and then left to die in this scenario. Now we don't even do this to animals.

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So after I shared Doctor Alicia Greene's testimony on my Instagram, I was inundated by a lot of responses. But one of the ones that was very interesting to me was a horticulture grower that I knew from when I was doing fieldwork. Because I do a lot of work around migrant workers on farms as part of my job at the university, and one of the growers who had been interviewing for that project many years ago, she reached out and she said, Joe, you know that this method is actually banned in in cat and baby cows calving induction was something that we used to routinely do, and it got banned on the grounds of animal cruelty.

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And so, you know, I started looking into that. And there was indeed true,

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so. What they would do, because it's quicker and more efficient, is that they would induce these baby calves.

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And then when they were born, they would use like a sharp object, like a rock to, to hit the baby calf on the head and to put them out of their misery. And then they would die immediately from the blunt force. Now that's actually outlawed. If you look at the Queensland Government guidelines on this, it says you cannot do this, but also the industry itself.

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The calving industry itself has phased this out. Not so for the abortion industry, who doctor Elisha Graham is speaking on behalf. This is a legal method of abortion that we induce these babies a lot, and then we don't even do what we did with the baby Cass, which was deemed too cruel for cows, which was to hit them on the head and create an instantaneous death for babies.

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Newborn babies, we just leave them to die. And if we look at the data because you're probably wondering, how much does this happen? Let's take 2020. In Victoria, for example, there were 43 neonatal deaths as a result of a termination of pregnancy. There's 43 neonatal deaths. What does this mean? It means that the baby was born with signs of life.

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So they survived their abortion, but they died within 28 days in hospital. So they are recorded as neonatal death.

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that data is coming from the Victorian Health reports, which get released every year. If we look at Queensland, because the questions asked on notice by Robbie Katter, we can see that Shannon Fenton then has provided this response about the number of babies who have survived their abortion.

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And she actually delineates that by gestational age.

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we can see that in 2022, there were 49 babies who survived their abortion and then were left to die without a legal right to medical care. One of these babies was even over 28 weeks. So I kind of mentioned having that baby later because the longer the older that they are, the longer that they live.

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So, in this agony where they're just writhing and crying and struggling to breathe and desperate for some kind of human attention.

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There were 35 babies between 20 and 28 weeks. I mean, these are babies. I can feel pain. These are premature babies.

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You just blow your mind that this is happening, but we don't actually know the stories of these numbers. Latest statistics out lie. And so one of the things that I've been doing in my research is to try to uncover the actual stories of these babies, which is really hard. You know, if you think about the biggest human rights atrocities of our time, we often end these atrocities because we share these stories.

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And yet in this atrocity, the greatest atrocity in human history, the leading cause of death in the 20th and 21st centuries, abortion,

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these babies, we can't tell the stories because we don't know their stories. But the first time I uncovered a story of a baby who survived their abortion, I was on a plane to Canberra doing a job for the government.

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And I was six in the morning and I was just as the plane was about to take off, I managed to find something. I downloaded it on my flight, and as the plane was taking off, I read the coroner's report of Jessica Jane Jessica Jones a little baby girl whose mother went into the abortion and the doctors thought she was about 19, 20 weeks and the mother

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was nothing wrong physically with the mother. There was nothing physically wrong with Jessica. But the mother felt that because of the career in her life, she couldn't have Jessica. And so the abortionist did exactly what doctor they should bring

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does and said that she does, which is to induce labor, of that baby.

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And the coroner's report is about what happens next.

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So Jessica was born alive. And the civilians who delivered her looks at dead Jessica and can see that has got really good at school is she's probably about 22, 23 weeks. She's very healthy and reads the abortion and says, what do I do? The bullet says, it's not my business what is his hands on it? And he hangs up the phone and the nurse doesn't know what to do, but she puts Jessica on a metal TV dish that seems like it around her, but essentially, dystocia discards her in an empty room and checks in every 15 minutes.

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But Jessica is left in that empty room by herself for 18 minutes before she dies, and the coroner, Greg Kavanagh, is scathing about this and says that the law has to be changed so that there's a legal duty to treat these children equally. Now, the Northern Territory hasn't changed its law. In fact, in its termination of pregnancy guidelines, it still says do not give life sustaining treatment in a life that follows an abortion.

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So this happened in 1998 to Jessica, and we're in 2025. And Northern Territory babies are still being born alive after their abortions. And left to die was also happening in Queensland and in and in Victoria and Tasmania. It's it's it's shocking. The next story that I uncovered was

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and this was given to me by a whistleblower. So it's not publicly available but I'll, I'll share some screenshots so you can see it.

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It's about an unnamed baby who was born alive and then left to die in a medical waste bin. So let me tell you the story. This baby was about 20 weeks old.

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They found out through the 20 minute scan that she had a congenital heart defect. And so the parents went in to kill her their entire life through the abortion they delivered her. She was born alive and the parents held her for about 60 minutes, according to the coroner's report. And they held it for about 60 minutes. And then after that, the chain of custody over this unnamed baby was lost.

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And she was discovered some hours later in a medical waste bin, still alive and breathing. Coroner Janet Stephenson says of that situation there was a total abrogation of responsibility on behalf of the people who should have cared for that baby. And then fast forward to 2020. The Courier-Mail reports on babies born alive in the world. There's been a women's hospital.

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Her parents found out she had Down's syndrome, and that's on a life limiting condition. Many parents and families. In fact, children with Down's syndrome report happier happiness ratings

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and the general population in general, families who don't have a child with Down's syndrome. And so I just think it's it's a bit of a sign that but it is just one of the most disgusting things ever, that nine out of ten babies with down syndrome get killed.

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Zanten was one of those, and it was at the workplace when it was given to us. Know who knows? It was doctor and they confirmed who did it. But her mother went into labor television as and is whisked away and dumped in an empty room at the hospital on a given day and left at seven minutes before she dies.

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It's just a shocking

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third example of a real baby that we have a name of, and then we know a story of. But you know, we don't know that untold minutes of suffering that these babies experience

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But we don't just know about this because of the stories or the data or the coroner's report. We also know about it because of scholarly research into this issue.

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Tara Jane Piggott wrote on my Instagram account when I shared about this and she said, I just can't be bothered responding to people who are obviously uneducated. I have no idea of the reality of what is going on in this world and aren't in the healthcare industry. Well, Tara Jane Piggott,

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you have no idea what's going on because the reality is this is what's going on and it's just being covered up, which is why you have no idea.

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There's been a number of studies about this very issue. So this one in the Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology and the research team down to 241 late term abortions in Austria, where Feticide wasn't given first. So labor is induced, but there is no injection into the baby's heart, potassium chloride, so the baby can come out alive. And and that's kind of they found that over 50% of the late term abortions

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resulted in low birth and the median survival time was 32 minutes.

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And one baby in that study is about 267 minutes. Now, the Austrian study looked at babies and had some kind of congenital abnormality, some kind of disability.

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This study looked at abortions between 15 and 29 weeks, which were a result of it induced abortions at the time and method that we've been talking about today. And in that study, the primary outcome was a live birth. And in fact, 10% of infants who were born alive after the abortion survived over three hours.

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And one newborn baby in that study, who survived their abortion was met. To die actually lived for over a day. So over 24 hours.

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think the really important thing to clarify, though, is this isn't about abortion. This particular episode isn't about abortion because the abortion has happened. The baby has survived. We then have a human being who has human rights, and we need to respond to them in a humane way.

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And instead of this, you know, monstrously evil practice of leaving them to die under the current Queensland guidelines, and they used to say, do not give life sustaining treatment. The Northern Territory guidelines still say to this very day, because of the advocacy of myself and others like Robbie Cat on church life in Queensland, the guidelines have been changed from do not give lasting treatment to suggesting that these babies can receive comfort care, but they stop short of a legislative right to palliative care or equal treatment under the law.

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So let's imagine a scenario

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where a baby survives abortion and they're really, really sick. So they're not going to survive, or they're in a gestation which is just too early and they're just

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the little bodies do something about it.

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Now, what is the humane response to these babies? It's it's not leaving them to die, is it? It's not discarding them. It's not potentially just wrapping them in a blanket, holding them for a few minutes, and then ultimately just leaving them. It is actually about giving palliative care to that child so that they're completely comfortable. So morphine on the lips so that they're not in pain and gasping.

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Somebody allocated to wrap that baby up, to hold that baby, to give that baby human comfort and touch. And I know that's resource intensive. Because the average survival time is minute to minute. But let's be honest, these are babies. These are babies. And we wouldn't even do this to animals. So it's just unthinkable that we do it to babies.

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And then if the clinical assessment is made at the

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that the baby could survive, well, then equal treatment provisions should dictate that this baby receives life sustaining treatment that they're given. A recessive tation, whatever you would normally do with a baby in that predicament who didn't survive an abortion, but you survived an all birth and then born early, whatever you would normally do, we should do to those babies.

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And that's common sense. That's what the test would suggest most Australians would agree with. 99% of Australians would agree with and irrespective of whether you're pro-choice, a pro-life, that's just a humane, reasonable any decent human being would do. Let's take a listen to what Kathy says now. Because of all of these I advancements, you know, months and months trying to find people after Lee's testimony who are willing to share.

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And I interviewed a young midwife from Queensland who shared about what's happening in the hospital. I had to disguise heavily because she just would have got sacked out to cover up the image. She was very scared about doing this, but she was just so heartbroken by what's going on that she can actually not speak out. But Kathy is a retired midwife from New South Wales, so she was at the safe within space, available with his voice unedited.

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And let's just take a look at what she says.

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Get put in the empty room. A sign on the door that says digital internet idea. What are they placed on? You see, in a kidney dish? Like a little metal or plastic kidney dish? On a trolley with a cover over the top of them. Over the baby's face? Yeah. Covered them completely. So if somebody does open the door, then they're not hit with this horror story.

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Yeah. Well, and they're listening there until the signs of life are determined by someone with them the whole time, they're not on their own. There's no one in there with them. Just in a dirty pan room with the door shut. I had a sign saying, do not enter. My goodness until such time as someone goes in there and determines that there's no sign of life.

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Well.

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So collectively, all of these videos that I've been putting up on socials have reached millions of people I think went up to about 8.5 million in terms of the views on these videos, on the issue of babies born alive. So I know that we are starting to get the word out there, but what I really need from you guys is to share this video and to talk about it with people.

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I'm giving you the data and the evidence, and the reason I'm doing this is because the only way this ends is if we blow the lid on it. There's a massive coverup going on. The mainstream media won't report it. So we need to do that. So I need you guys, you know, to if you haven't like the video, you haven't comment, please do.

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It helps the algorithm push it out further. Share it with friends. Make sure you subscribe to this channel. And then fundamentally I have a petition up. It's called the Birth equality petition. And I want to get that to as many signatures as possible. Because

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politics is a numbers game. And so if we can get huge numbers on this petition, then we will.

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And they said it's simple proposition behind the petition is this

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it's on the idea of birth equality. Does that ring a bell in terms of other campaigns that are being run? Well, it's based on the idea that if you are born in this country, then you are entitled to equal treatment at birth.

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thank you guys for your time. I know this is a heavy topic. I appreciate you staying with me till the end. This is part one of a two part video series.

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So today we looked at the data and the evidence. Tomorrow we're going to look at the politics of this issue. And you're going to be again just horrified by what you're seeing. But there is some hopeful stuff on the horizon. So I'll see you tomorrow on the doctor. Jason,